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Kennesaw, Ga., City Hall

As the nation debates whether more guns or fewer can prevent tragedies like the Virginia Tech Massacre, a notable anniversary passed last month in a Georgia town that witnessed a dramatic plunge in crime and violence after mandating residents to own firearms.

In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of "Wild West" showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.

The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.

Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.

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By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More significantly, perhaps, the city's crime rate increased by 15.7 percent immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township's crime rate stands at 2,268.1.

This was not what some predicted.

In a column titled "Gun Town USA," Art Buchwald suggested Kennesaw would soon become a place where routine disagreements between neighbors would be settled in shootouts. The Washington Post mocked Kennesaw as "the brave little city … soon to be pistol-packing capital of the world." Phil Donahue invited the mayor on his show.

Reuters, the European news service, today revisited the Kennesaw controversy following the Virginia Tech Massacre.

Police Lt. Craig Graydon said: "When the Kennesaw law was passed in 1982 there was a substantial drop in crime … and we have maintained a really low crime rate since then. We are sure it is one of the lowest (crime) towns in the metro area." Kennesaw is just north of Atlanta.

The Reuters story went on to report: "Since the Virginia Tech shootings, some conservative U.S. talk show hosts have rejected attempts to link the massacre to the availability of guns, arguing that had students been allowed to carry weapons on campus someone might have been able to shoot the killer."

Virginia Tech, like many of the nation's schools and college campuses, is a so-called "gun-free zone," which Second Amendment supporters say invites gun violence – especially from disturbed individuals seeking to kill as many victims as possible.

Cho Seung-Hui murdered 32 and wounded another 15 before turning his gun on himself.

[martinsen]

to jak jest tak dobrze ..to dlaczego jest tak zle ...a moze smierc 32 ludzi to porostu czysta kalkulacja ...mamy bron ,czujemy sie kims ....bardziej dowartosciowani ......a te osoby z columbine littleton i innych ...to porostu efet uboczny , ktory mozna przelknac ...dopoki to nie dotknie nas samych ...ale pewnie i to by sie przelknelo ...jesli czyjes dziecko zostalo by zabite przez szalenca z broni palnej ........

filmiku z tv fox nie ogladalem .....ciekawe kto najczesciej oglada ta telewizje ? pewnie te lewaki:P

a statystyki tez do mnie nie przemawiaja szczegolnie na tych portalach , ktore wyraznie prezentuja jedna opcje ........mozna tym zaglowac w dowolny sposob

[martinsen]

aaa nie ogladalem z fox bo mi sie nie uruchamia ... a nie ze nie chce:P

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School Safety

Between 1994 and 1999, there were 220 school associated violent events resulting in 253 deaths - - 74.5% of these involved firearms. Handguns caused almost 60% of these deaths. (Journal of American Medical Association, December 2001)

In 1998-99 academic year, 3,523 students were expelled for bringing a firearm to school. This is a decrease from the 5,724 students expelled in 1996-97 for bringing a firearm to school. (U.S. Department of Education, October 2000)

Nearly 8% of adolescents in urban junior and senior high schools miss at least one day of school each month because they are afraid to attend. (National Mental Health & Education Center for Children & Families, National Association of School Psychologists 1998)

The National School Boards Association estimates that more than 135,000 guns are brought into U.S. schools each day. (NSBA, 1993)

Children and Gun Violence

America is losing too many children to gun violence. Between 1979 and 2001, gunfire killed 90,000 children and teens in America. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)

In one year, more children and teens died from gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, influenza, asthma, and HIV/AIDS combined. (Children's Defense Fund)

The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

America and Gun Violence

Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)

The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)

Guns in the Wrong Hands

Americans for Gun Safety produced a 2003 report that reveals that 20 of the nation’s 22 national gun laws are not enforced. According to U.S. Department of Justice data (FY 2000-2002), only 2% of federal gun crimes were actually prosecuted. Eighty-five percent of cases prosecuted relate to street criminals in possession of firearms. Ignored are laws intended to punish illegal gun trafficking, firearm theft, corrupt gun dealers, lying on a criminal background check form, obliterating firearm serial numbers, selling guns to minors and possessing a gun in a school zone. To access The Enforcement Gap: Federal Gun Laws Ignored, visit http://w3.agsfoundation.com/. For a state-by-state chart of gun crimes (FY 2000-2002), click here.

Studies show that 1 percent of gun stores sell the weapons traced to 57 percent of gun crimes. According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), the dealer that armed the DC area sniper is among this small group of problem gun dealers that "supply the suppliers" who funnel guns to the nation's criminals. (Between 1997 and 2001, guns sold by this dealer were involved in 52 crimes, including homicides, kidnappings and assaults. Still open today, it also can't account for 238 guns or say whether they were stolen, lost or sold, or if their buyers underwent felony-background checks.) As a result, these few gun dealers have a vastly disproportionate impact on public safety. The ATF can recognize such dealers based on: (1) guns stolen from inventory; (2) missing federal sales records, needed by police to solve crimes; (3) having 10 weapons a year traced to crimes; (4) frequently selling multiple guns to individual buyers; and (5) short times between gun sales and their involvement in crimes. Yet ATF enforcement is weak due to a lack of Congressional support and resources. For more details, click here.

Terrorists have purchased firearms at gun shows, where unlicensed sellers are not currently required to conduct background checks or to ask for identification. According to the Middle East Intelligence Report, for example, a Hezbollah member was arrested in November 2000, after a nine-month investigation by the FBI's counter-terrorism unit. Ali Boumelhem was later convicted on seven counts of weapons charges and conspiracy to ship weapons and ammunition to Lebanon. Federal agents had observed Boumelhem, a resident of Detroit and Beirut, travel to Michigan gun shows and buy gun parts and ammunition for shipment overseas. Boumelhem was prohibited from legally purchasing guns as gun stores because he was a convicted felon. Additional cases involve a Pakistani national with an expired (1988) student visa; a Lebanese native and Hamas member with numerous felony convictions; and a supporter of the Irish Republican Army. (USA Today, Wednesday, November 28, 2001 Americans for Gun Safety)

According to Americans for Gun Safety (December 2002), gun theft is most likely in states without laws requiring safe storage of firearms in the home and where there are large numbers of gun owners and relatively high crime rates. Based on FBI data, nearly 1.7 million guns have been reported stolen in the past ten years, and only 40% of those were recovered. The missing guns, over 80% of which are taken from homes or cars, most likely fuel the black market for criminals. NEA, AGS and the National Rifle Association advocate for safe storage. To access "Stolen Guns: Arming the Enemy" visit www.agsfoundation.com.

The American Medical Association reports that between 36% and 50% of male eleventh graders believe that they could easily get a gun if they wanted one.

In 1998-99 academic year, 3,523 students were expelled for bringing a firearm to school. This is a decrease from the 5,724 students expelled in 1996-97 for bringing a firearm to school. (U.S. Department of Education, October 2000)

According to a report by the Joshephson Institute of Ethics (2000 Report Card: Report #1), 60% of high school and 31% of middle school boys said they could get a gun if they wanted to (April, 2001

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to jak jest tak dobrze ..to dlaczego jest tak zle ...a moze smierc 32 ludzi to porostu czysta kalkulacja ...mamy bron ,czujemy sie kims ....bardziej dowartosciowani ......a te osoby z columbine littleton i innych ...to porostu efet uboczny , ktory mozna przelknac ...dopoki to nie dotknie nas samych ...ale pewnie i to by sie przelknelo ...jesli czyjes dziecko zostalo by zabite przez szalenca z broni palnej ........

Dla Twojej wiadomosci, bo widze ze jestes ignorantem najwieksza masakra w szkole w w USA zdarzyla sie w 1927 w Bath Township, Mi. Zginelo 45 dzieci i profesorow i 58 zostalo rannych. I niestety musze cie zawiesc, bo bron palna nie zostala uzyta. Tak wiec jak szaleniec, chce to wcale nie musi uzyc broni. Ale liberalowie (lewacy) nie mowia o tej masakrze bo nie jest im to na reke poniewaz bron palna nie byla tam uzyta. Neal Bortz powiedzial ciekawa rzecz. Spytal sie ilu idotow ktorzy sa przeciwko posiadaniu i noszeniu broni na kampusach powie ze to byla wspaniala rzecz ze zaden z tych studentow ktorzy zostali zabici nie posiadal broni.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

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School Safety

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I ty nazywasz to co ja podalem jako jednostronne? A to co Ty podales to jest co, obiektywne? Prawda jest taka ze wiecej broni w rekach przestrzegajacych prawa obywateli oznacza drastyczne zmniejszenie przestepczosci i tego sie nie nie zmieni.

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sluchaj ....to ze nie podalem tragedii z 1927 roku ...nic nie znaczy i nie nazywaj mnie ignorantem bo wogole nie widze tutaj jakiegos zwiazku zeby mowic o tej tragedi , podalem te miejsca gdzie zostala uzyta bron tak wiec podawanie to za jakis argumeny jest tylko zalosna proba odwrocenia kota ogonem(mamy XXI )..... czy to cos zmienia? czy to jest ten argument , ktory przewaza na korzysc uzywania broni ? hheheh nie no to moze siegajmy po jakies wydarzenia do 1800 roku napewno bedzie ich duzo faktem jest ze nawet samobojstwa dzieciakow za pomoca broni sa faktem ...w Polsce wogole nikt by o tym nie pomyslal ...chociaz samobojstwa sa praktycznie w kazdym kraju ......ale ;posiadanie broni ulatwia to wysmienicie .......wystarczy pociagnac za spust ............widziales szybsza smierc? kazde takie targniecie sie na zycie jest praktycznie skuteczne bron palna to praktycznie stu procentowa smierc

ale co tam co tam smierc jakichs malolatow dzieciakow na kampusie ........dostepnosc to jedno ...lobby to drugie ..ludziom w swiadomosci sie utrwala ze bron jet tak niezbedna jak lodowka i kuchenka mikrofalowa ....ktos tez na tym zbija niezly hajs .....ale oczywiscie przy[pisuje sie szczytne idee .....tylko ze za te idee gina niewinni ludzie .....i nie mow mi ze po restrykcyjnym potraktowaniu tego problemu ...wzrosnie lawinowo liczba zabojstw itp .....tak wszyscy na znak wyskocza na ulice i powystrzelaja sie resztkami broni ..heh ............nie same ograniczenia w dostepie .......ale takze uswiadamianie ze za to grozi bardzo surowa kara ..........i moge sie zalozyc ...ze ludzie obawialiby sie wysciobic leb z bronia gdziekolwiek schowana ........

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sluchaj ....to ze nie podalem tragedii z 1927 roku ...nic nie znaczy i nie nazywaj mnie ignorantem bo wogole nie widze tutaj jakiegos zwiazku zeby mowic o tej tragedi , podalem te miejsca gdzie zostala uzyta bron tak wiec podawanie to za jakis argumeny jest tylko zalosna proba odwrocenia kota ogonem(mamy XXI ).....  czy to cos zmienia?      czy to jest ten argument , ktory przewaza na korzysc uzywania broni ?  hheheh nie no to moze siegajmy po jakies wydarzenia do 1800 roku napewno bedzie ich duzo faktem jest    ze nawet samobojstwa dzieciakow za pomoca broni sa faktem ...w Polsce wogole nikt by o tym nie pomyslal ...chociaz samobojstwa sa praktycznie  w kazdym kraju ......ale ;posiadanie broni  ulatwia to wysmienicie .......wystarczy pociagnac za spust ............widziales szybsza smierc?      kazde takie targniecie sie na zycie jest praktycznie skuteczne   bron palna to praktycznie stu procentowa smierc  

ale co tam co tam smierc jakichs malolatow   dzieciakow na kampusie ........dostepnosc to jedno ...lobby to drugie ..ludziom w swiadomosci sie utrwala ze bron jet tak niezbedna jak lodowka i kuchenka mikrofalowa ....ktos tez na tym zbija niezly hajs .....ale oczywiscie przy[pisuje sie szczytne idee .....tylko ze za te idee gina niewinni ludzie .....i nie mow mi ze po restrykcyjnym potraktowaniu tego problemu ...wzrosnie lawinowo liczba zabojstw itp .....tak wszyscy na znak wyskocza na ulice i powystrzelaja sie resztkami broni ..heh ............nie same ograniczenia w dostepie .......ale takze uswiadamianie ze za to grozi bardzo surowa kara ..........i moge sie zalozyc ...ze ludzie obawialiby sie wysciobic leb z bronia gdziekolwiek schowana ........

Nazywam cie ignorantem bo wypowiadasz sie na tematy na ktore nie masz najmniejszego pojecia. Nie mieszkasz w tutaj, nie znasz powodow dlaczego w USA dostep do broni jest powszechny, mowisz ze przestpczosc wzrasta dlatego ze bron jest dostepna chociaz fakty mowia co innego. Ja cie nie proboje na sile uszczesliwiac w Polsce wiec ty nie proboj uszczesliwiac swoimi lewackami pogladami ludzi tutaj. Twoje pogaldy moga byc dobre w Europie ale tutaj to zwykle lewactwo/liberalizm. Jak chcesz byc ofiara to prosze bardzo, ja wole przezyc, dlatego bede bronil mojego konstytucyjnego i zarazem ludzkiego prawa do obrony.

[martinsen]

hehehh po raz kolejny Ci mowie ze nie che nikogo uszczesliwac ......ale fakty tez mowia ze duzo ludzi ginie w bezsensowny sposb tylko dlatego , ze maja gdzie kuopic bron ...i nwet jesli wiecej osob ginie w porachunkach gangow ...to jednak istnieje ta druga strona i to wcale nie taka mala liczba .......

[martinsen]

juz wole to amerykanskie lewactwo ..chociaz w Polsce mam inne preferencje ....od ignoranckiej polityki Żorża dablju .........